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2007年9月14日

NEETs

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Hi Everyone,

Thanks for sharing your ideas and thoughts about NEETS. I didn't know it was such a big topic in Japan. As I have said before, I think it is a problem for some Japanese people that everyone is expected to be the same. People who feel they are different from those around them, or people who want to have a different kind of life from those around them have a hard time in Japan. Japan is a wonderful place to grow up and live if you are 'normal', but it is not such a good place for people who are 'different' in some way.

I was listening to a radio programme on the BBC the other day about the country that has the best education system in the world. Do you know which country it is? I didn't either, but apparently it is Finland.

On the programme, there was an interview with a teacher in a Finnish elementary school, and she was asked what she wanted children to take away from their time with her. She said, "I want them to worship themselves." The interviewer was a bit surprised, but the teacher explained that she wants all of her students to believe that they are special in their own way, and have the confidence to find their own path in life. I don't know very much about Japanese elementary schools, but I have heard that the philosophy is quite similar. The problem is that (注意：ここからは私の偏見です！）everything changes in junior high school, and the teachers see their job as trying to make all the children the same. If I ever had children in Japan, I would happily send them to elementary school, but never to junior high or high school. Many teachers have told me that the Japanese educational philosophy is 出る釘は打たれる, and I felt that very strongly when I worked at junior high schools. (I have taught at 35 different junior high schools and 4 high schools in Japan). I remember listening to a junior high school principal telling all the new first year students that they should not think for themselves, but just copy everything their senpai and their teachers did and said. This, he said, is how they could become 'good students'. I felt like crying when I heard that. I wanted to scream, 'Everybody run! Leave this school as quickly as you can!'

It is just my guess (because I don't know very much about the subject), but I think that many of the people who become NEETs in Japan suffer from the problem that they are 'different' in some way from what their parents and their teachers wanted them to be. In other words, they are the 出る釘. (←is this the right kanji?) Maybe they feel that there is no place for them in regular society, and so they 'drop out'. It might be the case that no one in school or at home ever said, "It's okay to be different. You don't have to follow the same life plan as everyone else. You need to find your own way, and we will help you to do that." In my country, most of the problem with gangs and youth crime is to do with economic and racial problems, so it is quite different. (And a lot more scary!)

Anyway, as I said, I don't know very much about this problem, but some of you asked me what I thought, so here it is. I hope you do not think I am being rude, because I love living in Japan. I am not, however, a big fan of the Japanese education system, as you might have guessed!

Have a great weekend, and speak to you next week.

Bye for now,

David

Comments

Hi David,
I think there is some truth in what you say.(NEETs are the 出る釘)
But as Anne mentioned, some of the people in NEETs are financially dependent on their parents.
They don't work, but they can live because they live in their parent's house, and their parent give them a meal.
Surprisingly, some of them are thirties to forties and some of their parent live on pension, howbeit they don't work even if they can find a job.
こういう人達に比べたら、”ネットカフェ難民”のほうがまだマシなのかも…。
I think, one of the reason why NEETs increase is that most Japanese people lead a good life in Japan.
極端な話、発展途上国ではこんな問題は起きませんよね？
働きたくても職がないということはあると思いますが、その場合は生活が非常に困難になるだろうし…。
難しい問題です。
うまくまとめられなくてすみません。

Amica

  •  Amica
  • 2007年9月14日 23:45

Hi David and everyone, long time no see!
Well, I see NEETs in a different way from David. Some of them might be people who are seeking a different way of life like actors and artists. They could be called NEETs in the broad sense, but they usually aren’t. Most of NEETs are normal people, I guess. At least, they have been very normal until they become NEETs. What’ s interesting is that young people who have graduated from famous universities can be NEETs. They have worked hard to enter good universities since they were in elementary schools, but when they accomplish their goals, they don’t know what to do next. When they get jobs, they suffer from the gap between comfortable universities and severe society, and quit the jobs. I have read one of NEETs complain about universities not giving students any skills that are useful in society. He said, “What kinds of universities are they if they turn students adrift after much spoiling them!” The change of recruitment standards caused NEETs, too. Companies don’t hire students just by the name value of universities any longer. However, students relieve when they enter good universities and feel they have succeeded in life. The reason NEETs in Japan don’t join gangs is that they drop out of society not because of poverty or no education, so they don’t think of joining gangs for a living.
You are supposed to say出る杭（くい）は打たれる. 釘 means a nail, 杭 means a pile.
According to Eijiro, 出る杭は打たれる is translated as “A tall tree catches much wind.”

  •  Blue Dream
  • 2007年9月15日 21:08

Hi Blue Dream,

「出る杭は打たれる」だったんですね！！
いままでずっと「出る釘は打たれる」だと思っていました。
日本人なのに情けない…。

Amica

  •  Amica
  • 2007年9月15日 22:00

Hi Blue Dream,

Nice to hear from you. How is the pregnancy going? Thanks for telling me about the proverb. I have heard it said both ways, and I wasn't sure which was correct, but when that proverb is translated into English, it is usually translated as 'The nail that sticks up will be hammered down.' I have never heard the one you found in Eijiro.

By the way, can you remember where you saw that comment about universities spoiling students and then setting them adrift? Do you know what the student said in Japanese? I agree 1 million percent! Teachers often have problems in universities because the administration do not want us to fail too many students. I have heard many stories about teachers being told the following things in Japanese universities.

1. If too many students fail, there must be a problem with your teaching. (My answer is, "No, the students just didn't do any work!")

2. If students cannot pass your class, you need to lower the standard.

I also had a complaint from a parent once because their son failed my class. The parent said, "But he came to all the classes and submitted the report, so why didn't he pass?"

Answer - because he made no effort, and his report was about the level you would expect from a junior high school student!

Speak to you soon,

David

  •  David
  • 2007年9月16日 08:25

Hi, it's been quite a while since I last posted a comment. How have you all been?

Anyway, I don't know much about the topic but about the school, I know what it's like from my experience.
It's just my opinion but yeah, schools are somewhat places kids are trained to be "Good Japanese". There're upside and downside of course.

It's just my opinion and no offence but I think when you start working for any company in Japan, you are supposed to have certain attitude, mind, idea, way of thinking...whatever you name it, all those "basic" thing, you know what I mean?

Sometimes I felt school was the place to learn how to be a "good Japanese". I mean work hard like 10,20 hours a day every day without enough day off and holiday but never make waves. Do things as others do, what you are told without doubt it. Once you get this skill, your life becomes much easier in a way. To live in Japan and Japanese society. Things go smoothly and you can easily handle things around you. I guess.

I didn't like that so I didn't do what I didn't want to do at schools.(Even so I kept going to school everyday!)
You know the outcome? I was some sort of misfit in a way. Guys at schools were pretty cool to me though. Some teachers even understood me. They just didn't say anything out loud but when they talked to me in person, they actually knew exactly how I felt and thought. I don't know what it's like being a teacher but they are also just human as anyone else. That's what I figured back then.

So after all, I learned, what you need is think yourself. Make your decision.It's great if you choose to do the same thing as others do because it's your decision. Not just follow people in front of you. If you choose to go other way, it's also great.

I think Japanese society is moving on. It's kind of interesting to see how it goes,isn't it!!

  •  匿名
  • 2007年9月16日 13:22

Hi David,
My pregnancy is going well. My belly is already pretty big. I can’t believe it will grow some bigger. The doctor told me my baby would be a girl.(It isn’t 100%, though.) Sorry I can’t name her David. I want her name to pass as an English name, too. I thought of Lisa, Emma, Hannah, Emily, Mary, Karen, Karina… Does anyone have a good idea?
I saw the comment of one of NEETs in the paper last week. Here is his comment in Japanese:「それまで大人の自覚とか責任とか無縁だったのに、就職した途端に『ちゃんと責任を持て』と要求される。学生をさんざん甘やかして、卒業したら『後は勝手にやって』と放り出す大学って、どうなんでしょう？」
NEETs’ problem can happen to anyone nowadays. Don’t you think?

  •  Blue Dream
  • 2007年9月16日 13:38

Hi Blue Dream

I do not agree with him commented in Japanese.

I want to say him. "What do you think about young people working after graduating from high school or junior high school, and accomplishing the social responsibility even if they did not learn at the university. "

I think university student have to live an independent life already. So parents (not university) have complete responsibility of making the child live on own.

  •  匿名
  • 2007年9月16日 16:07

Hi David & everyone
Long time no see!

This topic is very difficult, but it's very important for the future of Japan.
In the last comment of David, he said "I also had a complaint from a parent once because their son failed my class", I mostly worry about it. Why do a parent complain about that? Their son is over 18!Recently, I heard that the parents hear the company introduction or visit the company in their children's job hunting. I can't believe that!
I think that there is parents' spoiling like the above-mentioned in one of the factors that they become NEET. One more big factor is "hard times for college-graduate job seekers" (就職氷河期), I think.
I was in that period. What do you think if you take a lot of tests and be interviewed by many companies, and you do not pass all though you wanted to find employment really? Dozens upon dozens of companies. I feel myself not good person, and I lose sight of the meaning of working. (Afterwards, I was able to find job fortunately.)
I agree with Blue Dream. The normal person really becomes NEET. It is not only a person degenerated from the society. It is difficult for the person who drops out once to return to the society again in Japan, as むらさき said.
The situation like that in Japan, I want all company to accept a lot of people with an open mind, as Anne said.

久しぶりに英文を書いたので、自信ありません・・・。意味が分からなかったら、どんどん指摘して下さい。

  •  ayako
  • 2007年9月17日 23:54

amica

前の質問を完了形で説明しましたが、コメント送信後に、例文が完了形でないことに気づきました。すぐに修正すべきでしたが、出張、３連休と続き修正が遅れ申し訳ありません。

例文
It's done. （終わった）
I'm gone.　（さようなら）
の２文は『完了形』ではなく、受身形（ＢＥ動詞＋過去完了形）です。

It's done. は　It was (又はis) done. です。It has done. は文としてありえますが、（それはやり遂げた＝終えた）となり、主語が（Ｉｔ）のため、（Ｉｔ）が何かを指し示す説明が必要となります。単一の文章の場合は、完了形として考えると訳文の意味に無理があります。　また、完了形の場合は、It has been done.(=It's been done）が一般的によく使われます。

I'm gone.はI am gone.であり、受身形です。訳文も受身形の（さようなら＝わたしは去られた）となっています。

It's been really nice talking to you.(お話できて本当に楽しかったです）は完了形です。

混乱させてスミマセンでした。完了形の説明としては前回のコメントでOKです。

  •  マック
  • 2007年9月18日 09:47

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  • 2007年12月17日 04:41

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