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2009年1月28日

A Quiz

Hi team,

A couple of you have posted questions for other people to answer recently, and it seems that everyone enjoyed doing those quizes, so I decided to give you one about English grammar. As you probably know, English written on clothes in Japan is usually nonsense. Today, I saw a student wearing a shirt that said on the back, "What should we do if the world will end tomorrow?"

I'm guessing that this is a word-for-word translation of something like もしこの世界が明日終わったらどうする？. Anyway, I started thinking about how you would really say this in English, and it is actually very difficult, so I thought it might be interesting to put it on the blog as a quiz. I'll tell you the answer on Monday. There are actually quite a few different ways that you could say it, so I think it will be interesting and useful for you to discuss one another's suggestions.

Hint: if you have my new book, read the section on 'if/when'

Bye for now,

David

Comments

Hi David,
I had a look at the Google logo, and at first I thought that I didn't understand what it is and "Google" was hidden in the picture.
Anyway, I've heard the name; Jackson Pollock, but I don't know about him well.

I will struggle with your quiz later.

By for now,

Maki

  •  Maki
  • 2009年1月28日 22:50

Hi David,

What a nice surprise! I just finished to translate the last entry, and I was going to post it, but I found this entry. Anyway, I'll try the quiz first.

1. If tomorrow was the last day of the world, what would you do?

2. If the world ended tomorrow, what would you do?

I'll post my translation on the last entry.

See you soon,

Tomo

  •  Tomo
  • 2009年1月28日 23:07

【訂正】
I just finished to translate the last entry　→　I just finished translating the last entry

またやってしまいました。。

  •  Tomo
  • 2009年1月28日 23:10

Hi David,
Thank you for the quiz.
Here's my answer.
"If the world were to come to an end tomorrow, what would you do?"
Chinese characters written on clothes in USA are also sometimes nonsense. I saw a man wearing '痴漢' on TV. How cool !

I'm terribly sorry I haven't got your newest book yet. I have to pay for my jazz dance classes first.
I look forward to seeing you at the event.

Appoh

  •  Appoh
  • 2009年1月28日 23:10

Hi Tomo,
I'm glad you liked my train quiz.
By the way, I'm serious but I might have written my last question in a little bit funny way.
In short, I know I can say, "We missed each other." but I'm not sure if I can say, "We missed one another."
What do you think?

Appoh

  •  Appoh
  • 2009年1月28日 23:18

Hi David,
I struggled with the quiz, even though it was for a short time.;-)

My answers are;

"If it was the end of the world tomorrow, what would you do?"

"If the world came to the end tomorrow, what would you do?"

I will think about it more.

Maki

  •  Maki
  • 2009年1月28日 23:26

Hi David,

This is my answer.

"If tomorrow was the day of the end of the world, what would you do?"

Amica

  •  Amica
  • 2009年1月28日 23:28

Hi Team,
I would say:
"If the world was to end tomorrow, what would you do?"

Hi Appoh,
I know what you mean. You sometimes see strange tattoos in Chinese characters too. I once saw a girl on a bus wearing a pendant of the Chinese character 愛 but only back side up. I was inching to tell her that! (But I didn’t.)

  •  Lily
  • 2009年1月28日 23:54

Oh no, アクセス不可 again! I'll post my translation tomorrow.

Hi Appoh,
Was it a serious question? Sorry, I thought it was another funny story because you said, “Suppose I had a fabulous girl friend. She was incredibly gorgeous and intelligent.” I liked this part, by the way. Is it your wish or something?(笑) Anyway, about your question, I think it's okay, but I just learned the expression ‘one another’, so you shouldn't believe me!

Good night,

Tomo

PS Anne, you are welcome!　たまには情報を提供できて良かったです＾＾

PPS Appoh, I'm looking forward to hearing your funny stories!

  •  Tomo
  • 2009年1月28日 23:55

Hi David,
Here is my version;
1.If the world ended tomorrow, what would you do?
(What would you do if the world ended tomorrow?)
2.If tomorrow was the end of the world, what would you do?
(What would you do if tomorrow was the end of the world?)
*現実的でないと考えた場合。

3.If the world ends tomorrow, what will you do?
(What will you do if the world ends tomorrow?)
*現実的ではない様に思われるが、今の世の中なにがおこるかわからないので、可能性を持たせた場合。

４. When the world ends tomorrow, what will you do?

(What will you do when the world ends tomorrow?)
*ノストラダムスの大予言と言う事もあるので、そういった可能性を持たせて。


Ｉ'll try another version, and are No.3 or No4 acceptable or not?

Speak to you soon,

Anne

  •  Anne
  • 2009年1月29日 00:15

Hi again,

Hi Appoh,
As you said, you often see strange,nonsense Chinese character on clothes, and I sometimes wonder if they understand the meaning.

訂正：
Here is my version;→Here are my versions:

Anne

  •  Anne
  • 2009年1月29日 00:22

Hi David and everyone,

なるほど～仮定法の使い方のお話ですね？
最初まったく気づきませんでした。(^_^;)

この話題、みなさんの回答を見て楽しんだり関心して
います。

今日は日本語で～(^_^;)

そこんとこ世論死苦～　in English

  •  Kazu
  • 2009年1月29日 04:00

Hi Everyone,

I know well that English people wore the Japanese written on the clothes. I don't know who is thinking about these logos. One day, I wore 'No Nickers' on my front of a T-shirts. My friend's son told his mom, and she told me what did it mean. I just wore twice on it. but I couldn't wear any more in England. but I wore it more a few times in Japan! Because I love it the arrangement of colours.

Here's my answer, If the world were to end tomorrow, what would you do?

  •  Riko
  • 2009年1月29日 07:25

Hi Appoh,
You saw a man who were wearing a clothes which was written "痴漢" on TV? That's funny! I wonder if he knew the meaning of that Kanji.


Hi everyone,
Now, this blog is very lively, isn't it? We got lots of newcomer, and they almost became regulars. I'm glad to get new companions.
I have been thinking about old regulars lately. When I began to join in this blog, there were lots of regulars in here. It was as lively as now. I couldn't write comment in English well at that time, so they often helped me. I miss them, and I want to know how they are doing now. Do you have a time to drop in on here? If you do it, I want to see you here.

Amica

  •  Amica
  • 2009年1月29日 11:49

How about "What would you do, if the world were to come to an end tomorrow?"

  •  匿名
  • 2009年1月29日 13:49

HI everyone,

Hi tomo,thank you very much indeed!!!

My answer is to the quiz;If the world ended tomorrow, what would you do?

  •  May
  • 2009年1月29日 14:28

Hi David,
This is interesting ! Let me try.

I would say : What would you do if the world were
over tomorrow ?

It seems that everyone useｓ the same sentence
for 「どうする？」so it's tricky how to translate 「もしこの世界が明日終わったら」 in English.
It's good for me to read other members' answers.

I'm looking forward to your answer on Monday.

  •  Q chan
  • 2009年1月29日 15:35

Hi Tomo,
Thank you for your comment.
Please remember that I've always been serious but I should have written like this: "Suppose I had a fabulous girl friend. She was incredibly gorgeous and intelligent like Tomo."

Hi Lily,Anne,Amica,
I think he would be fine if he didn't know the meaning of "痴漢". Anyway,we should be careful when we wear clothes with French words. They might be sometimes written wrong even though they look cool.

Hi there,
Does anyone know this song?
"If I fell in love with you, would you promise to be true? ....♪　"
I love this.

Appoh

  •  Appoh
  • 2009年1月29日 19:43

Hi Kazu,
そうでうす、私が大嫌いだった仮定法の話です(笑)　みんな、｢もしこの世界が明日終わったらどうする？｣←この英訳に挑戦してます。

Hi Riko,
What does 'No Nickers' mean? Does it have a bad meaning?

Hi Amica,
Old regulars.., I sometimes think about them. I hope they are still reading this blog.

Hi May,
My pleasure:)

Hi Appoh,
Thank you for your very nice comment! I'll give you ten ‘zabutons’(笑)
By the way, about the song you mentioned, the next part goes.. "and help me understand 'cause I've been in love before...", right?　I like that song, too.

Hi everyone,
It's really interesting to see everyone's version. I'm also looking forward to reading the next entry.

See you soon,

Tomo

  •  Tomo
  • 2009年1月29日 22:31

Hi David and everyone

let me try the quiz.
my answer is
What would you do if the world comes to the end tomorrow?

  •  amo
  • 2009年1月29日 22:35

Hi Appoh,
It is The Beatles' song, isn't it? I like this, too! I've heard that some people used to learn English from their lylics. Are you one of them?! ;-)

Hi Amica,
I also think about people who used to join us here.

Everyone,
Hope you are still here and will join us sometime soon! And please attend the event as well!
『お菓子なクラブ』メンバー全員集合！です（＾＾）ｖ

By for now,

Maki

  •  Maki
  • 2009年1月29日 22:43

Hi tomo,

Thank you for your response.
仮定法にトライしてみました。(^_^;)

What would you do if this world were end?

Kazu

  •  Kazu
  • 2009年1月29日 22:45

Hi Tomo & Maki,
"...And I found that love was more than just holding hands...♪" Bingo!
I'm learning or taking a lot from the lyrics by The Beatles. I can't express anything if I don't find it on their lyrics.

Appoh

  •  Appoh
  • 2009年1月29日 23:57

Tomo,
ごめん、スペルミスでした。
knickersです。女性用下着。つまり私はそれをはいてないってことなの。

  •  Riko
  • 2009年1月30日 00:00

I couldn't read everyone's answers so it may be a duplicate, but I'd say...

What would you do if the end of the world comes tomorrow.

  •  Kunchan
  • 2009年1月30日 01:50

訂正
I wore a T-shirts that said 'No knickers'.

  •  Riko
  • 2009年1月30日 02:28

Hi everyone,
The T-shirt thing reminded me of funny tattoos I‘ve seen in European cities. There are lots of people who have tattoos on their body, and some people have tattoos in Chinese characters. Sometimes (or rather mostly) the Chinese characters are stupidly wrong or weird for tattoos. At one time I saw a man who had a tattoo ‘耳’ on his foot. I feel very sorry for them, because you can just get the stupid T-shirt off, but not stupid tattoos.
Anyway, I would say ‘What would you do if the world came to an end tomorrow?’ Or could it be possible to say ‘If the apocalypse came tomorrow, what would you do?’ ?
Hi Riko,
I’ve seen a woman wearing a T-shirt bearing ‘I AM A BIMBO’!!!

  •  Jazmin
  • 2009年1月30日 10:54

Hi everyone,

Here's my translation of the entry.

『最近、何人かみんなにクイズを出してる人がいるよね。　みんなそれを楽しんでるみたいだから、今日は英語のグラマークイズを出してみることにしました。　多分、みんな知ってると思うけど、日本の洋服に書かれている英語って大抵おかしいんだよね。
今日、背中に “What should we do if the world will end tomorrow?” って書いてあるシャツを着ている学生を見たんだ。

たぶんこれは、｢もしこの世界が明日終わったらどうする？｣という日本語を直訳したものだと思うんだけど、これを本当に英語で言うとしたらどうなるかな、って考えてたんだ。　実はこれはとても難しいんだよね。　だからブログにクイズとして載せたらおもしろいかもしれないな、と思ったんだ。　月曜日にみんなに答えを教えるね。　実はいろんな言い方ができるから、みんなのアイディアについて話し合ってみるのもおもしろいし、役に立つんじゃないかな。

ヒント：　私の新しい本を持ってたら、「if / when 」のところを読んでみてね。』


Hi Appoh,
"I found that love was more than just holding hands" ← I like this line.

Hi Riko,
Thanks for your reply, but..　それは着れないね～！(笑)

Hi Jazmin,
You saw a man who had a tattoo ‘耳’ on his foot? That's so funny! I think he should have done it on his ears..

Speak to you soon,

Tomo

  •  Tomo
  • 2009年1月30日 12:02

Hi David,
I would say,
"What if you knew the world was going to end tomorrow?"

Hi everyone,
Well, my answer to that question is "I would eat a whole cheesecake." (just joking)
How about you?

  •  Misty
  • 2009年1月30日 14:37

Hi everyone,
It's dull today around here, and how about your area?

Comparing one another's versions is interesting, isn't it?
Here are my another ones:
*If it was the last day of the world tomorrow,what would you do?
*If the world would come to an end tomorrow, what would you do?
( I'm not sure I should use ' would come' or ' came', though.)
So, my answer at the moment is "If the world would come to an end tomorrow, what would you do?"

Hi old regulars,
I miss all your comments. I've learned a lot from you, but when I joined here, I was so nervous that I could not chat with you casually. I also miss the word"お菓子なクラブ”.
Hope you sometimes drop in here and are reading this blog.
Amica, ホントになつかしいですね。
＞Riko,
"No Knickers"? ←Where did you get?^^)
>Jazmin,
"I'M BINBO."←It's funny! I saw a man putting on a tattoo"鬼"　on his arm. Is it cool for him? I don't think so...
>Misty,
Me? Well...I would stay at home and just relax myself. I'm rather a lazy person,ha ha ha..

Bye for now,

Anne

  •  Anne
  • 2009年1月30日 15:39

Hi team,

Thanks for all the answers to the quiz. To help the beginners, could some of you explain in Japanese why the sentence I saw on the T-shirt is wrong and why you think your sentence is correct?

  •  David
  • 2009年1月30日 15:58

Hi David and everyone,

私なりに、｢どうして違うのか、また、自分で書いた文章が正しいと考えるのか｣、
整理してみました。
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
＊ What should we do if the world will end tomorrow?
もしもこの世界が明日終わるとしたら、あなたはどうする？
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

ここでは、もしも～、と考え、現実的な話ではなく、可能性の低い仮定の話しと考える。
仮定法：
１．現実的に起こりうる話。
　If +主語＋現在形、主語＋will+動詞の原形
　例．If it rains tomorrow, the match will be cancelled.
(明日雨が降ったら、試合は中止になるだろう。)
２．現実的でない、起こりうる可能性の低い話。
　If＋主語＋過去形、主語＋would+ 動詞の原形
　例．If I had a million dollars, I would buy a Ferrari.
(もし、１００万ドル持っていたらフェラーリを買うだろう〈でもそんなことはありえないね〉)　←可能性が低い事を表すために過去形を使います。

ここでは、２の｢現実的でない話｣と考えたとします。

Will the world end tomorrow?はただの疑問文ですからOKですが、｢もし～だとしたら｣の文章を作ろうとすれば、No2.の例にあたります。
ですから、If the world would end(過去形) tomorrow…となります。
＊ 次に、What should we do～について。
1. 一般的な不特定多数の人をさすときは、weではなく、youになります。
2. ｢どうする｣は｢どうするつもり｣と意思を表すので、shouldではなく、意思を表す”will(would)”になると思います。
そこで× what should we do→Ｏ　what would you do
二つをあわせて、What would you do if the world would end tomorrow? となるのが
文法的には、正しいと思います。
私の文章は、
What would you do if the world would come to an end tomorrow?
If 以下はthe world will come to an end tomorrow. を過去形にしてwould come to～としました。Come to an end(終わりになる)が気分的にいいのではないかと思ったので、そうしました。
後は、私も含めて皆さんの例になるのでは？
すべてDavid　の本のIf/ whenのページから書き写しただけで、しかも、それを、私が正しく理解してつたえているかどうか、疑問ですが。。。I hope this helps.
とりあえず、参加する事に意義あり、で考えてみました。
ＰＳ.最初の例文を作った時に、３．４．を例に挙げたのは、現実的にあると仮定すれば（？）と言う前提で、本を読んで、勉強のつもりで、作ってみたものです。

説明できているか分かりませんが、皆さんの解釈楽しみにしています。


Anne

  •  Anne
  • 2009年1月30日 17:58

皆さんこんにちは！
いつも、読んで楽しんでいる一人です。
この度は、面白い問題だったので、David の本を頼りに作ってみました。普通文に疑問文が続くのが良く理解できていません。
ちなみに、
If the world came to end tomorrow, we would do something today.
は、見当違いでしょうが考えてみました。
はやく英語でコメント出来るように、楽しんで勉強しています。

  •  eeko
  • 2009年1月30日 18:11

Hi David and everyone,

It is the interesting quiz, isn't it? As David and someone says, there are fulled huge kinds of the English written on clothes in Japan, and men and women of all ages wear. Some of them has making a mistake in spelling or something. However, most people choose faverite one from many ones, according to one's mind.
The other hand, recent days, producing and making the ' only one T-chirt' by computer is popular. These phenomenon is one of a fashion, I think.

By the way, about David's quiz, I made these sentences after reading his new book.
1: If this world was over tomorrow, what would you do?
2: If this world would be over tomorrow, what would you do?
3: If tomorrow was the end of the world, what would you do?
4: When tomorrow was the last day of this world, what would you do?

It is rain all day and silent around me. In this blog, I've got a lot of ideas and answers that are different from the nationwide and worldwide, and also I have a chance to express...

See you soon,

Kiyoko

  •  Kiyoko
  • 2009年1月30日 18:18

Hi everyone,

Anneとほとんど同じだと思いますが。。

"What should we do if the world will end tomorrow?"

「もしこの世界が明日終わったらどうする？」　というのは、現実的ではない‘もしも’の話なので、

《 If + 主語 + 過去形, 主語 + would + 動詞の原形 》（←「もしも話」のレシピ - Davidの本より）

という形になるので、上の文は間違いで、もし現実的な話だったとしても、if / when の条件節は、未来の話でも現在形になるので、上の文なら will を取って 動詞に三単現のS が必要で（if the world ends tomorrow)、主語は‘we’ではなくて、一般の‘you’の方がいいかな、と思います。

今回の文は「もし～だったらどうする？」という質問なので、

《 If + 主語 + 過去形, what would you do? / What would you do + If + 主語 + 過去形 ? 》

という形になると思ったので、

1. If tomorrow was the last day of the world, what would you do?

2. If the world ended tomorrow, what would you do?
としました。


Hi eeko,
Glad to see your comment here!（私のブログに時々コメントをくれる eeko ですよね？）

  •  Tomo
  • 2009年1月30日 18:26

文法は苦手ですね。単語も苦手です。今思い出しましたが、すべて苦手ですね。（だから仕方なく勉強始めたんですが）

そんな私が無理やり説明すると・・・

「もし」と条件を設定した場合、結果は条件を設定した場面よりも、少なくとも「同時」または「後」になるような気がするんですよね～。原因より先に結果は来ませんからね。

なので・・・
If I do ときたら、I will　do と受ける。
If I did　ときたら、I would do と受ける。
If I had done ときたら、I would have done と受ける。
になるのかあ。
だから・・・
If I will do とくると、I will will do になっちゃいますね。
will will　はちょっと変ですね。

だから無理やり・・・
If I were to do(あるいは should do）として、I would do　で受ける。こうするしかないんだろうなあ・・・どれを使うかは話しての気分次第ですかね。
どうでしょう？？
今回はボケる場所がないなあ。どうしよう。

If I were to fall in love with you, would you promise to be true? 　あれ？歌詞が変わってる・・・

Appoh

  •  Appoh
  • 2009年1月30日 20:28

Hi Riko,
Muhuhuhu... No nickers... I love it... I can't sleep tonight...

Hi Misty,
I'm really sorry but what do you mean by "I would eat a whole cheesecake." ? I can't eat it all !

Hi eeko,
May I ask you're a newcomer ?
If so, I have to give you a short story sometime soon.

Appoh

  •  Appoh
  • 2009年1月30日 21:42

Anne & Tomo - Thanks for the detailed explanation! Now I really want David's book. :)

I have a story about t-shirt. About 5 yrs ago, we were in a department store for kids. - Not Toys "R" us, a Japanese one. We saw a t-shirt which had "Fxxxking cool~" (sorry I can't make myself spell that) on it. I complained to the company and asked them to remove them from their stores. The company replied, "Thank you for your concern; however, we know this is a very commonly used expression amongst young generation and we feel it's fine..." It maybe used on the street and positive way as an emphasis but I’d never let my kids speak that way. I guess they’ll have a second thought when their kids get suspended from school for having offensive language… (^o^)（現実的にはないよねぇ、そんな事…）

BTW, we had a friend who collected “Janglish” t-shirts.

Have a nice weekend!

  •  Kunchan
  • 2009年1月31日 00:05

Tomo, Appoh こんにちは！
そうなんです、このサイトの隠れファンで私の初コメントだったんですよ。今独学で英語を勉強中なんですよ。

“もしこの世界が明日終わったらどうする？”
私の気持ちの中では自問自答の感じになってました。日本語にはもともと？は付かないので意味を取り違えたようです。
（頭、固くなってます・・・。）

もともと疑問文ですよね。
"If the world ended tomorrow, what would you do?"
に1票、　色々考えると楽しいですね。

  •  匿名
  • 2009年1月31日 05:23

Hi David and everyone,

Sorry, I made a mistake in my yersterday's sentence. I used 'when' instead of 'if', at following; 4: When tomorrow was the last day of this world, what would you do?

In addition, I made this.
5: What would you do for you if the last day of the Earth's existence happened tomorrow?

Anyway, I have no ideas and no time anymore, so I wait next Monday.

See you again,

Kiyoko

  •  Kiyoko
  • 2009年1月31日 11:28

Hi Misty,
I would eat a bucket of ice cream;-)

Hi Kunchan,
でもあれは基本のレシピなので、その状況や話し手の気持ちなどからいろいろ変わってくると思います。　Davidのお母さんはいつも、「もし宝くじが当たったら・・」←この話をする時に‘When I win the lottery...’と言うそうです。　家族が「If I win でしょ！」と突っ込みを入れても、「必ず当たるんだから when でいいのよ！」と言い返すとか(笑)（実はこの話も本に載っています）
なので、Kunchanのこの文 “I guess they’ll have a second thought when their kids get suspended from school for having offensive language…” を読んだ時は、私は、「そうなった時に後悔しても遅いのよ～」という気持ちが出てるのかな、と受けとめました(笑)　they 'will' だし、'when' だし。

Hi eeko,
やっぱり！　ついにこちらもデビューですね♪　隠れてないで出てきてくれて嬉しいです＾＾
Look forward to reading your comments!

Have a great weekend, everyone!

Tomo

PS Appoh, did you sleep well last night?(笑)

  •  Tomo
  • 2009年1月31日 15:11

Ｈｉ　皆さん、
昨日の、説明の続き.
if the world would end tomorrow ですが、「主語＋過去形」からすると、would end は可能なのか、どうか、最初に自分の文章を書いた時から、迷っているのです。
ですから、月曜日のDavidの説明を待ちたいと思いますが。。
Ｏ---　the world ended tomorrow
O?-- the world [would end] tomorrow

Hi eeko,
Welcome to THIS blog,too!
Looking forward to your next comment.

Hi Kunchan,
Janglish t-shirts? There are thousands of Janglish,right? どんな言葉が印刷されているんでしょうね。

Have a nice weekend,

Anne

  •  Anne
  • 2009年1月31日 21:11

Hi everyone,

補足があります。
...will will...だと変なので、一つ戻して、
If I do , I will...　とで我慢するか、それとも無理やり
If I were to do (or If I should do), I would (or I will )
にするしかなくなると思います。
どれを使うかは話し手の気分次第ということで。。。
いかがでしょう？

Appoh

  •  Appoh
  • 2009年1月31日 22:30

I'm sorry.
×　とで我慢するか
○　として我慢するか

Hi eeko,
Welcome to this world !
I'm going to tell you a trivia because it's my role.(?)
When we see someone who doesn't work hard, we call him or her "ほねやみ（怠け者）" in Sendai.
What do you call such a person in English? You say "lazy bone". You know what?
"骨（ほね）" translates to "bone" and "やみ" means "lazy". Isn't that fascinating?

怠ける人のことを仙台弁で「骨やみ」と呼ぶのですが、英語ではlazy bone　と言うんですよね。偶然にしては出来すぎだと思いませんか？仙台弁は英語と語源が一緒？？な訳はないですが。

Hi Tomo,
I couldn't sleep well last night. I had to find a funny story I was going to give newcomers.

Appoh

  •  Appoh
  • 2009年1月31日 23:26

Hi Apooh
Thank you for letting write it the interesting story, it isn’t a trivia.
Your story makes me so happy and motivate up.
“骨やみ”　やみは病みから来てるのでしょうか？　怠け者を人格の精にせず、骨の精にするのは仙台の人の思いやりでしょうね。lazy bone も人の思考は世界共通のものが有るのかも？　面白いですね。
私の住む地方の言葉はどちらかと言えば粗暴で（個人的な感じ）、“骨やみ”を知ってちょっとhappyな気分ですよ！

Hi Anne
Thank you for writing your kind word!
読んで楽しむのは楽で書きは大変ですが、継続は力なりで行きますので、よろしく！
eeko

  •  eeko
  • 2009年2月 1日 10:44

hello,

i'm new here, but i've been reading this blog and have interested in lots of opinions everybody here posts.

let me post sometimes. thank you!

  •  mor
  • 2009年2月 1日 17:07

Hi mor,
Welcome to the blog! Feel free to post your comments anytime. Look forward to hearing from you again.

  •  Lily
  • 2009年2月 1日 19:31

Hi eeko,
I'm glad if you liked my story.
気に入ってもらえましたか？　骨やみの解釈はまさしくeekoさんの書いたとおりですよ。よくわかりましたね。うれしいです。

Hi mor,
Great to have you with us!
I hope you'll enjoy yourself here.

Appoh

  •  Appoh
  • 2009年2月 1日 21:33

Hi eeko,
Glad to have you with us here, too! Looking forward to your next commnet with your name! ;-)

Hi mor,
Welcome to the blog! Please post your commnets anytime. Looking forward to them!

Talk to you later,

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  •  Maki
  • 2009年2月 1日 23:29

Hi mor,

Nice to have you with us! I'm glad to hear that you've been reading this blog. Look forward to reading your next comment!

See you soon,

Tomo

  •  Tomo
  • 2009年2月 1日 23:46

Hi Anne,

if the world would end tomorrow ですが、‘If ... would ～’というのは、現実的なことにも使うちょっと控えめな丁寧な表現というイメージがあったので（If you would like to～とか、I would appreciate it if you would come. 「来ていただけると有り難いのですが・・」とか）、最初に見た時に何となく変な感じがするなぁ・・と思ったのですが、ただの私の漠然としたイメージだったので、私も月曜日のエントリーを待とうと思っていました。　でも、今 Practical English Usage を読んでいたら、その説明を見つけたので、それをちょっと書いてみますね。（実はこの間、購入したんです。　私が買ったのは日本語版ですが。。)


現在、または未来の非現実的な、あるいは起こりそうもない状況について述べる場合は、（たとえ意味は現在または未来のことについてであっても） if 節に過去時制を、主節には would + (to のない）不定詞を用いる。《←つまり、動詞の原型ということですよね》

If I knew her name, I would tell you.（彼女の名前を知っていたら君に言うよ）

この意味を伝えるには if I know ... や if I would know ... や ... I will tell you. とはならない


それから、if の他の用法のところに、『if 節で should を用いて（しかし、would は認められない）、起こりそうもないこと、あるいは特に起こる可能性が高いとも思われないことを示唆することができる』、とも書いてありました。　例文は・・

If you should run into Peter, tell him he owes me a letter.(万一ピーターに会ったら私に手紙を書かなければならないはずよと言ってよ)


日本語の説明文も難しいので、私はいっぱいいっぱいという感じなのですが(Appohのコメントを読むまでは、 should のこの用法は知らなかったし！）、これは、「もしも話」には if ... would は使えないってことですよね？(違うかな・・？)　この説明が載っているのは if のところですが、Anneの本とはページ数が違うと思うので、探してみてください＾＾

Tomo

  •  Tomo
  • 2009年2月 2日 01:27

Hi Appoh,
"I would eat a whole cheese cake."
世界が終わるなら、その前に好きなものを思いっきり食べておきたいという気持ちが入っています。
Sorry for confusing you...

なんだか的外れなコメントでしたね。答えてくれたメンバーの方どうもありがとう。
I'll post a normal comment next time.

  •  Misty
  • 2009年2月 2日 02:29

Hi Tomo,

色々考えてくれて、ありがとう。私も、今ざっと、if のページ読みました。後から、またじっくり読みたいと思います。
Tomoが言うように、would～は理由は分からないのですが、違うのでは、と漠然と思って、すっきりしなかったのです。丁寧な言い方には使われるけど、will を自動的に過去形にしていいのか?、と言うのが、疑問でした。説明を読むと、そうですね、if節　にはwould は×とあります。ただし、話し言葉でinformal　な使い方としてはアメリカ英語で使われる事もある。ただし、書き言葉ではない、と言うものがありました。（Ｎｏ．２６２）
How would we feel if this would happen to our family?(こんな事がおこったら、我々は、どんな気がするだろう。）
でもこれは、あくまでも例外ですから、今回の場合日には、当てはまらないと思いますが、ないことはない、ということで。。。。

結局基本は、
＊仮定法現在
　　　If I become President, I'll...(said by a candidate in an election
＊仮定法過去
　　　If I became President, I'll ...(said by a schoolboy.)

これが基本だと思います。David の解答が楽しみですね。

Hi mor,
Welcome to the blog! Look forward to your next comment.

Hi everyone,
How was your weekend? I caught a cold, and had a fever, but I feel better now.
I'm going out today to celebrate my aunt-in -law's 77th anniversary. Her husband passed away 18 years ago ,and have no child, and have been living alone, so my elder sister and I planned a kind of party . She has been very kind and nice to us,and a mentor to us.

Have a nice day, and speak to yo soon,

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Reading is the first thing i guess!

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