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2009年3月13日

Orientation to learning English

Hi team,

As I have already told you the story about the man on the bus, let's skip that. Actually, I need your help with something today, if you have time. One of my new books (from BTP Press, not ALC) is a speaking book for low-level, non-English major university students. It is very simple, and at the beginning of the book, there is an 'Orientation to learning English' in Japanese. This is to make sure that students know the most important things about learning English.

I have had this checked by an editor, and I made changes in line with his comments, but I still need to do a final check. If you have time, please take a look at it and tell me if you find any mistakes. (At this point, I do not really need feedback like 「…の方が自然」 or 「…が少し分かりづらい」、just　「…は間違っている！」
Even if you don't have time to check it, you might find it interesting, so please take a look anyway.

If you do find any mistakes, please put a comment on the blog.

Have a great weekend,

David

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Hi David,
I think this part is mistake.
「週数回だけの授業で外国語を身につけられる人は世界中いません」(page 7)
You should say like this.
「週数回だけの授業で外国語を身につけられる人は世界中のどこにもいません」or 「週数回だけの授業で外国語を身につけられる人は世界中どこを探してもいません」

Amica

  •  Amica
  • 2009年3月13日 11:29

Hello David.
I always enjoy your blog. I read your paper. It's really easy to understand and also good for me. I'll point out few mistakes.

P2-L1[大きいな勘違い]→[大きな勘違い]
P2-Paragraph3-L4[断然に重要です]→[断然重要です]

It's just my idea. Make sure yourself.

Vier

  •  Vier
  • 2009年3月13日 12:05

Hi David,

Here's my feedback.

P7
大きいな勘違い　→　大きな勘違い

世界中いません　→　(世界中探しても）どこにもいません

外国語を取得するのは　→　習得

断然に重要です　→　断然重要です

すぐに自分のせいにするでしょうか　→　するのでしょうか

P10
私は頭が硬かったので　→　固かったので

日本語を英語と例えるのを　→　英語に例えるのを

P11
どんな言語でも取得がでるはずです　→　習得できるはず

基本的な会話をいくかマスター　→　いくつかマスター


I love this way of thinking “私は日本人だから日本語ができます。あなたと会話をするために私は英語で頑張りますが、母語ではないので、間違ってしまうことは絶対にあります。それは仕方がなことなので、理解をするためにあなたも頑張ってください。もしそれが嫌だったら、是非日本語で話しましょう。私はあなたの日本語の間違いを全く気にしないから”

See you soon,

Tomo

  •  Tomo
  • 2009年3月13日 12:28

P.11 the last sentence
会話をいくか→会話をいくつか

P.11 the 7th line
・・・と決心し、努力もすれば→・・・と決心し、努力をすれば　
（普通決心してから、努力をするので’も’にすると他にも何かすることが必要）

I can agree to your opinion to learn English.
I assume your book is helpful for students.

  •  Gussan
  • 2009年3月13日 12:29

Hi　David,
I found some mistakes.

P７、L9「外国語を取得する」→「外国語を習得する」
P11、L10「基本的な会話をいくか」→「基本的な会話をいくつか」

I'm looking forward to your new entry.

  •  Misty
  • 2009年3月13日 12:33

Thank you Amica, Vier, Tomo, Gussan, and Misty.

It is nice to have such a wonderful proof-reading team. I wish you could do all my books!

  •  David
  • 2009年3月13日 12:56

Hi David,
Glad we could help:-)

Hi Vier,
Welcome to the blog! It's nice to hear that you always enjoy this blog. Look forward to hearing from you again soon.

Hi Amica,
Sorry for the late reply. Your nephew is so cute!　さすが、Amica の血縁だけあって笑わせてくれるね(笑)

Hi Anne,
‘名古屋走り’なんていう言葉があるんですか？　黄色はGo!っていう走りですね(笑)

Have a great weekend, everyone!

Tomo

  •  Tomo
  • 2009年3月13日 18:55

Hi　David,
I've read your script and it's really informative.
I'd like to write down several points which I thought might be more natural. I skipped some parts someone else pointed already.
I hope they will help you. Have a good weekend.
Appoh

P1,L2 「もう１つ」→「もうひとつ」or「もう一つ」
P1,L3「学習法のことです。」→「学習法です。」
P1,L5「その前には２年間」→「それ以前には２年間」
P1,L14「よく聞かれる質問ですが」→「よく聞く質問ですが」(if you mean you've heard) or 「よく受ける質問ですが」(if you mean you are asked)
P1,L16「英語はどのような言語で」→「英語とはどのような言語で」
P1,L22「授業だけで身につける」→「授業だけで身につく」
P1,L23「ことで悩むのではなく」→「と悩むのではなく」
P1,L27「その勉強が長く続いても」→「その勉強期間が長くても」
P1,L29「何も言えないから」→「何も言えないので」
P2,L16「英語の環境に」→「英語が使われている環境に」
P3,L12「外国人の日本語を」→「外国人の話す日本語を」
P3,L22「異文化から生まれる問題」→「文化の違いから生まれる問題」
P3,L24「元気いっぱいで」→「元気いっぱいに」
P4,L1-2　「１００人の外国人の英語の先生に・・・・・・次のポイントです。」「外国人の英語の先生１００人に聞いた時、「これだけは止めてほしい」と一番思われているのは次のことです。」
P4,L8「聞かれていることを理解ができなくても」→「聞かれていることが理解できなくても」
P4、L10「これが失礼だと」→「これを失礼だと」
P4,L20「コメントはよく聞きますが」→「コメントをよく聞きますが」
P4,L24「環境のせいで諦める」→「環境のせいにして諦める」
P5,L3「このように努力している学生は」→「このような努力をしている学生は」
P5,L10「語学をしている人」→「語学を学習している人」
P5,L13「対処によります。」→「対処の仕方によります。」
P5,L15「上達への邪魔」→「上達の妨げ」
P5,L27「アプローチを卒業し」→「アプローチから卒業し」
P10,bottom line ｢上達のペースが極端に早く｣→「上達のペースが格段に早く」

  •  Appoh
  • 2009年3月13日 21:22

Thanks Appoh.

I gave the data to the printer this evening, but I will print out your corrections and take them in next week.

  •  David
  • 2009年3月13日 21:34

Hi David,
It seems to be too late, but I hope my feedback will help you, even a little.

P9 色々な方法で英語を自分の日常生活に取り組んでいる人もたくさんいます。

→　色々な方法で英語を自分の日常生活に取り入れている人もたくさんいます。

→　自分の日常生活の中、色々な方法で英語に取り組んでいる人もたくさんいます。

As you said, the script is very interesting. Actually, it isn't only interesting, but also it reminds me what are the most important things about learning English. Thank you!

Everyone,
Have a lovely weekend!

Maki

  •  Maki
  • 2009年3月13日 23:06

Hi David,
I have read through the script and checked it, but
I think everyone has already pointed out some mistakes or some points , so I want to add one thing:

from Appoh's feed back
P5,L15「上達への邪魔」→「上達の妨げ」
If you change this part,
P 7.L7 from the bottom
「自信不足」が上達の邪魔→「自信不足」が上達の妨げ

All of your scrip are very easy to understand but important, and among them「異文化の例」and 「外国人の先生の授業は日本人の先生の授業とどう違いますか?」part are very specific and useful.(こうした具体的な意識の違いを分かった上で授業を受けるのとそうでない場合では大きな違いがあると思いました。）
Thank you!

Hi Vier,
Nice to have you here. Look forward to your comment again!

Have a nice weekend,

Anne

  •  Anne
  • 2009年3月14日 23:07

Hi David,

I've just finished the printing your proof-reading, but I was late, so that almost every mistake had pointed out. However, I have some small points. At these points may be not completely mistake.

P8 ：「大学での英語コミュニケーションの授業」→「大学で英語のコミュニケーション～」

P8：「欧米ではそれだけではなく、元気いっぱいで先生に質問｣→「それだけではなく、元気いっぱいに」or 「それだけではなく元気いっぱいで、先生に質問」

P9：[I'm sorry, I don't understand.と言えばばっちりです。」→「～言えば、ばっちりです。」

P9：「まるで留学をしているような環境を作る人とも時々｣→「～を作る人と」

P10：[思い込んでしまい、全く理解ができなかったです。→「～できなかった」

P6:[それだけで話せるようになっていたら奇跡！」だと考えた方がいいです。｣→「～だと考えた方がいい」

I was really moved to read this orientation because this have brought me the first my original intention. Thank you, David.

Hi everyone,
Have a nice Sunday!

  •  Kiyoko
  • 2009年3月14日 23:54

Sorry, I didn't write my name, Kiyoko

  •  Kiyoko
  • 2009年3月14日 23:58

Hello David,
This is the first time to send you a comment.
I found a few mistakes in your sentences.
For example;
・外国語を取得→習得、もしくは会得
・全くウソです。→全くのウソ（誤解）です。
・ペラペラ話せる→ペラペラに話せる
I hope this comment will help you.
Bye.

  •  Mai
  • 2009年3月15日 19:53

Hi team,

Here's my translation of the entry.

『バスの話はもうしたみたいだから、今日は違う話をしよう。
実は、時間がある人にちょっと手伝ってもらいたいことがあるんだ。　私の新しい本に（アルク出版じゃなくて、BTBプレス出版の本）、英語専攻じゃない学生向きの、簡単なスピーキングbook があるんだけど、本の冒頭に、英語学習について最も重要なポイントをまとめた、日本語の‘Orientation to learning English’というのがあるんだ。
もう校正済みなんだけど、この原稿の最終チェックをしてもらいたい。　時間があったら、チェックして間違いを教えてくれるかな。（「～の方が自然」とか、「～が少し分かりづらい」という意見じゃなくて、「～は間違っている！」という箇所だけ教えてほしい）
チェックする時間がない人も、おもしろいかもしれないから、とにかく見てみてね。
何か間違いを見つけたら、コメントに書いて投稿してください。』

Have a nice day!

Tomo

  •  Tomo
  • 2009年3月16日 07:45

Hi David　and everyone,

Have a look at Google logo today. It's unique and
I felt spring.

PS. The blog event is near at hand , and I can't wait for the day.

See you soon,

Anne

  •  Anne
  • 2009年3月17日 11:10

Hi Anne,

I just had a look at the Google logo today.　春ですね～♪
It's a lovely day here. How's the weather there?

Tomo

PS I can't wait for Saturday, either!

  •  Tomo
  • 2009年3月17日 12:02

Hi everyone,
I had no idea what I should do for the book club, so yesterday I started reading ‘Outliers’ anyway. It was so interesting that I almost missed my station. I have read about a quarter of it, and I understand so far that to be a world-class expert in anything, such as world class violinists, professional hockey players, computer moguls or even Mozart-the greatest musical prodigy of all time-, you definitely need 10,000-hour practice (the 10,000-hour rule, the author says) . But you can’t do it all by yourself by the time you’re a young adult, and then come various factors including parents’ support, money and even ‘coincidence’ like a jigsaw puzzle.
Thank you, David for giving us a good opportunity to read such an interesting book!

  •  Jazmin
  • 2009年3月17日 15:10

Hi David,
学生さんへの思いが伝わるいい文章ですね。

Hi everyone,
イベント、いよいよですね。私までワクワクです。参加された方のコメント楽しみです。

kazuさんへ
気にしないでくださいね。

  •  May
  • 2009年3月17日 16:30

Hi David,
学生さんへの思いが伝わるいい文章ですね。

Hi everyone,
イベント、いよいよですね。私までワクワクです。参加された方のコメント楽しみです。

kazuさんへ
気にしないでくださいね。

  •  May
  • 2009年3月17日 16:33

Hi Jazmin,
You started reading "Outliers" yesterday, and you have read a quarter of it now? Wow!
Actually I also started reading and have read just "Chapter One" . As you said, it is very interesting! To be honest ,when I got the book and had a look at it, I wondered if it was interesting or not(Sorry, David!), bit it is more interesting than I thought it would be.
My pace of reading is rather slow, but I am going to read to the last page.(I'm a bit busy with family matters now, so I'm not sure.....It might be just an excuse,though.)
So I'd like to say "Thank you",David !
It's really a good opportunity for us to see things from different aspects.

Tomo,
The weather around here was fine,too!

Bye for now,

Anne

  •  Anne
  • 2009年3月17日 22:43

Hi jazmin and Anne,
You both started reading "Outliers"? And jazmin, you've already read a quater of it?! Wow!!
It sounds that you both enjoy reading it very much. I haven't started it yet, you know. I feel uneasy about a lot of things to do before moving house, so maybe I will challenge it after you will finish. ;-) Sorry, I'm not a nice member of the book club!

Talk to you soon,

Maki

  •  Maki
  • 2009年3月17日 23:22

Hi everyone.

I'm busy now until before the event.
So it is hard to comment here.
But I'm sure I can take part in the event and I'm looking forward to meeting you all.


P.S

Hi May, thank you.

  •  Kazu
  • 2009年3月17日 23:49

Hi Anne,
Hi Maki,
Yes, the book is really interesting. I can't put it down once I start reading it.
Maki, you are going to move? Wow! It must be a hard job! Take good care of yourself.


From ‘Outliers’
-At Microsoft, famously, job applicants are asked a battery of questions designed to test their smarts, including the classic “Why are manhole covers round?” If you don’t know the answer to that question, you’re not smart enough to work at Microsoft.-

Do you know the answer? If you don’t know, you don’t have to worry. You don’t have to score 200 on IQ test to be successful. You just need to be good ENOUGH.

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